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    1858 Remington Revolver Accuracy

    I am wondering what the typical reproduction 1858 is like in terms of accuracy and quality. Do they typically require work such as:
    *setting the barrel back and re-cutting the forcing cone
    *squaring the forcing cone to the cylinder
    *center boring the charge holes to line up with the barrel
    *recutting the crown on the barrel

    Or are they generally pretty good to go straight from the box?
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    You don't need to set the barrel back to chamfer the forcing cone. :wink: It helps to have chambers the same diam. as the barrel groove diameter. The problem is if your groove diam. is OVER say 0.457 and then you need a custom mould made for larger round balls & that's a pain in the butt.

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    Your average repro will need some or all of the above. Probably the most common issue is getting the chambers to line up properly with the barrel. The crown is usually OK.
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    They are generally not good to go from the box. The Italians are perfectly capable of making fine reproduction arms. The U.S. importers are not interested in paying for them, however. So, you get the cr*p the importers are willing to pay for, which is not much. You may get an occasional good revolver, but most will require serious work if you want them to shot well. Its amusing when you look down the bore and discover that one to three chambers do not line up with the bore of the barrel.

    The result depends on your skill level, and what you are looking for. If you want one that will shoot, talk with Rob at Tri-L at the spring nationals. He's currently the only game in town.

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  5. There is a Shooter's Revolver offered by Dixie and a couple of other importers that is better than most. You will pay about double for this over the typical import, but it is much better than the others.
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    I bought an Uberti "forged frame" m58 and it shoots great right out of the box. With 20grs and a 454 ball it will put the round into a clay target everytime at 25 yards off the bench rest.

    Unfortunatly my shooting abilities off hand are not nearly as good. I suspect a finely tuned revolver would shoot better, but I would have to be a much better shot to take advantage of the difference.
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    No you don't.

    This is a case of error budgeting. If you are trying to hit a 4-inch pigeon or tile with a revolver that will shoot a 4-inch group, you have to hold perfectly...the gun's inaccuracy eats up 100% of your error budget.

    I don't know about you, but I've never seen someone who shot that well.

    On the other hand, if your gun will shoot 1 inch, then you have 3 inches to play with. THAT is do-able.
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    Error budgeting is what the more finely tuned gun is all about. I have never heard the term before but it is perfect. Many people don't think they need a well tuned gun because their skills are not up to speed. Error budgeting is the perfect way to explain the need for better tuning.
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    "Many people don't think they need a well tuned gun because their skills are not up to speed."

    That reasoning occurs in golf as well. People don't see the need for better equipment because their skills are not there. But better equipment helps people play/shoot better.
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    Lets see here. A four inch group -- the size of a clay pigeon?? Oh wow!

    On the N-SSA, NRA, and MLRA 25 yard paper target:
    X ring = 1.5 inches
    10 ring = 3.25 inches
    9 ring = 5.5 inches

    In N-SSA scoring, the bullet has to be at least half way into the higher scoring ring to score the higher value of the shot. If you do everything absolutely perfectly, that means that you will average no better than a score of 90 on the 25 yard paper target. That will win you absolutely nothing in any of the N-SSA classes. And, no one has ever shot absolutely perfectly, with the possible exception of Lonas Wigger in his prime.

    And, we're not even talking about accuracy on the 50 yard target.

    Don't waste money. Buy a pistol that is capable of shooting. Then you might actually want to practice. "How to you get to Carnegie Hall? Practice!"

    Please don't take this as a personal affront. It's not intended that way.

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