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    My 2 CENTS WORTH.

    Just a comment on uniforms since no one has written anything in days. I do want all N-SSA Members to know and understand that, in the ranks of the N-SSA are some the best informed and the leading researchers on Civil War uniforms. I know, many are not interested or state they already have an approved uniform which is just fine with me and everyone else. That said-- to not recognize what we have in terms of knowledge on Infantry Arms, Revolvers, Mortars and Civil War Cannons and Civil War uniforms is the rub sometimes. Each day some new person arrives just out of School or new to retirement or just a Civil War lover of History who wants to ask the same questions we have heard for over 75 years and counting. "What did the so and so Regiment have issued to them in terms of Infantry Shoulder arms? "What kind of gun should I purchase? "How do I shoot this thing" "What was their uniform and where do I buy one like that" and on and on with Cannons and everything else. What people should recognize "WE" in the N-SSA can answer almost all of their questions and well and with safety and membership combined. We can tell you with confidence what your Unit or Regiment was wearing or issued North and South from 1861 to the end. That is a fact! Well most everything-- but we can come in very close. I joined the N-SSA in 1974. I was with the 46th Illinois Infantry and our sponsor was no other than the 6th Wisconsin of N-SSA fame. I researched the uniforms of the 46th and from they won a number of trophies for our appearance. So what you say. Well, we were good shots also. That uniforms and shooting are part of the tradition of the N-SSA and will be so forever. When you see some of the newer teams stand inspection in the Spring, please, compliment them on their appearance. They are now "WE" and Brothers and Sisters combined. How they shoot is a whole nother' thin gee. Do not be so quick to condemn or not understand anyone who is dressed authentically-- they do so because they want to! Some of them can really shoot well too! AMEN. Name:  41st Tennessee.jpg
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    I would like to know more about uniforms of the 1st Wisconsin (3-year).
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    Steve,

    According to Col. Frederick P. Todd?s American Military Equipage, 1851 - 1872 the 1st Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry wore, in April 1861, iron gray frock coats, pants and forage caps trimmed with black. Officers wore blue frock coats and caps; gray overcoats and red flannel shirts. In August 1861 they were issued US regulation clothing. They were initially issued M1822 altered muskets with M1855 rifle muskets for flank companies and regulation accoutrements. For 1862 - 1863 he shows them with M1842 rifled muskets.

    I hope this helps,
    Barry Selzner

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    Quote Originally Posted by geezmo View Post
    Steve,

    According to Col. Frederick P. Todd?s American Military Equipage, 1851 - 1872 the 1st Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry wore, in April 1861, iron gray frock coats, pants and forage caps trimmed with black. Officers wore blue frock coats and caps; gray overcoats and red flannel shirts. In August 1861 they were issued US regulation clothing. They were initially issued M1822 altered muskets with M1855 rifle muskets for flank companies and regulation accoutrements. For 1862 - 1863 he shows them with M1842 rifled muskets.

    I hope this helps,
    Barry Selzner
    The 3-month 1st Wisconsin formed April 16, 1861 and mustered into Federal service May 17, 1861. It mustered out August 22, 1861.

    It appears the information on uniforms you provided is for the 3-month enlistment unit.

    The 3-year unit mustered in October 19, 1861, and mustered out October 13, 1864.

    Do you have any information on the 3-year unit? Interesting about the rifled 1842s!

    I'm interested in the 3-year 1st WI as I have father/son ancestors who were in it.

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    Steve,

    There is no doubt that the gray uniforms were from the 3 month enlistment. He may have his August and October 1861 date mixed up where he states they were issued regular Federal uniforms. I googled 1st Wisconsin Infantry Regiment and the second entry down, from the Wisconsin Historical Society, shows a period photograph of five identified soldiers from Company C. Four of them are wearing regular Federal issue frock coats and one has what appears to be a four button sack coat (although the buttons aren?t visible). As for hats, four are holding flat top slouch hats and one has a kepi (not a forage/bummers cap).

    You might also see if Adjutant Generals reports are available on line for Wisconsin. Years ago someone gave me photocopies of two pages from New York?s Adjutant General reports which listed the uniforms and equipment issued to our 120th N.Y.

    BS

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    Thanks for pointing out that source.

    I have found that site before; it is very good. Tried to contact them about the time periods of the battle flags but no one responded.



    My ancestors were in Company E.

    Steve
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    Steve,

    to complicate things, I just looked at that photo again. When enlarged there is more detail. I don?t think the guy on the right in the front row is wearing a frock coat. The collar doesn?t look like it has piping and there are two shapes, either buttons or some other trim. Also look down near his left hip, you can see the line between the jacket and sky blue of the trousers also the post of the chair back. None of that is obstructed by the skirt of a frock coat. Could he be wearing some type of short state issue jacket?

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    The seated fellow in the center's frock is also much lighter than the others. I wonder if this is one of the grey coats from the 3-month unit?

    Also looks like he has a stripe on his trousers, but no insignia on this sleeves.

    But the caption says the photo is likely after the Battle of Chicamauga. However, it also says circa 1861.

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    About this Item

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    • Annual report of the adjutant general.

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    • Wisconsin. Adjutant-general's office. [from old catalog]

    Created / Published

    • Madison, Wis., 1861-66.




    https://www.loc.gov/item/09017405/
    Steve Sheldon
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