Enfield Cartridges?

[Scott Lynch 1460V]

I was on the board when paper cartridges were demonstrated and the concern was that the shooter hand spent too much time directly over the muzzle to be considered safe.Scott Lynch, former Chesapeake Reg Commander

[John Holland]

Regarding the use of the "Traditional British P-53 Cartridge" everyone is overlooking one critical point regarding the N-SSA Rules. The authentic loading procedure of the paper patched bullet requires you to pass your hand over the muzzle.

[Muley Gil]

Yup! Thanks so much!

Steve

Sent you a PM.

[Maillemaker]

Regarding the use of the "Traditional British P-53 Cartridge" everyone is overlooking one critical point regarding the N-SSA Rules. The authentic loading procedure of the paper patched bullet requires you to pass your hand over the muzzle.

This is a good point, and is probably the best point in favor of not allowing the ammo. However, you don't stay over it very long.



Steve

[Don Dixon]

I understand the point regarding complete paper cartridges. I envisioned that a reasonable compromise would be authorization to use paper patched bullets in the weapons that were originally designed to use them. Since it can be difficult to get properly sized bullet moulds for some of the arms used in the Civil War. paper patching would permit the use of those arms. Until recently there were no .547 inch moulds available for the System Lorenz arms, for example.

Regards,
Don Dixon
2881V

[Corey Simmons]

While not exactly the same I've been experimenting with 3d printed tubes that duplicate certain aspects of the enfield cartridges but you don't need to pass your hand over the muzzle and no paper involved. It's basically a tube with a cap (the cap has .58 on it to denote caliber) over the power section and a convex bottom that holds the nose of the bullet via friction. So you thumb off the cap pour the powder then flip the tube insert the base of the bullet, pull the tube off then ram the bullet home normally. If anyone wants the .STL file so they can print them I can send it pretty easily. I just got a kilo of matte light brown filament in so my next gen ones should even look more like paper cartridges.

[Muley Gil]

While not exactly the same I've been experimenting with 3d printed tubes that duplicate certain aspects of the enfield cartridges but you don't need to pass your hand over the muzzle and no paper involved. It's basically a tube with a cap (the cap has .58 on it to denote caliber) over the power section and a convex bottom that holds the nose of the bullet via friction. So you thumb off the cap pour the powder then flip the tube insert the base of the bullet, pull the tube off then ram the bullet home normally. If anyone wants the .STL file so they can print them I can send it pretty easily. I just got a kilo of matte light brown filament in so my next gen ones should even look more like paper cartridges.

Can you post a picture? It is safer to remove the bullet from the tube and then insert it in the muzzle.

[Corey Simmons]

yep you could definitely pull the bullet first if you wanted. They are less polygonal and more cylindrical with later versions



cad picture to give a X-ray style picture

[Hal]

I've never used the Enfield cartridge, but from the video, it looks like you could just grip the bullet end of the cartridge and insert it into the muzzle just like you would a naked bullet. I'm not sure placing your finger over the end of cartridge to push it in, as shown in the video, is necessary. Maybe someone who has done it could shed some light on that. Steve?

[Muley Gil]

I'm not sure the old fart (like ME) skirmishers want to chase those little caps around the range after an event. Is the powder chamber separate from the bullet end? Can you insert the base of the Minie (bullet) into the muzzle and then squeeze it out of the tube?