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    It looks to me to be a commercially made "Volunteer" pattern .577 short rifle, possibly a copy of the P60 Army rifle with the 1:48 rifling.
    I recommend posting these photos on the British Militaria Forum, as you'd probably get some very precise and complete answers regarding this rifle.
    https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/brit...ssion-arms-f4/

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    Quote Originally Posted by GDU View Post
    ...a two bander made by F T Baker London.
    I am not sure however where this rifle fits in the scheme of things, I'm picking it's a model 56 in volunteer pattern (33 inch barrel)?
    I cannot seem to find a web site anywhere that lists the various models in some sort of order with distinguishing features.
    This one has five groove rifling (I assume 1/48 but have not as yet checked) which the P56 should not have.
    It also has a hooked breech which I have not seen on an Enfield before, the breech plug and Tang are normally one piece.


    This is a presentation rifle, not as some have stated a prize rifle (ie. won at competition). It was presented by members of the fourth squad of the First Shropshire Rifle Volunteers to Sergeant Deaves as a mark of esteem and respect. Funds to cover its purchase were raised by donations. It was based on the naval rifle, but with the refinements including patent breech and checkering it is not a Pattern Enfield. The maker, F.T. Baker was armourer to the First Surrey Rifles. When presented it also had a sword-bayonet.

    Volunteer rifles had to accept Government ammunition and musket caps. The Short Rifles appealed, being used by the Rifle Brigade. The so called 'Volunteer rifles' were short lived... from the early 1860s the Volunteers were re-armed with Government (P.53) Enfields. Officers still had the option of selecting their own arms.

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    Thanks all,

    David I have sent you an email.

    Cheers,

    GDU.

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    The presentation rifle discussed in this thread is featured in the new edition of my free to download web site magazine.

    Research Press
    Journal, Issue 8, Winter 2019/20. Free download pdf magazine (40 pages)


    • Priming: News, Events, People & Places (Bisley / Forthcoming Events / Thomas Wilson / Book News
    • A Volunteer Enfield Rifle
    • The Training of a Volunteer
    • The Remington Rolling Block
    • British Official Mid 19th Century Musketry Manuals
    • Demise of the Black Powder Target Rifle
    • The St. George's Challenge Vase


    Link to Download - external site. Browse the link, there are back issues available.

    Thanks for your interest.

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    While researching a relative in the Irish Constabulary in the 1850's and 1860's I took a little detour and entered Sergeant James Deaves into a United Kingdom newspaper database. The Shrewsbury Chronicle from October 28, 1860 had a detailed, front page story about Sergeant Deaves, his rifle and the dinner when the rifle was presented. It is an interesting read. I will attempt to display the first 3 paragraphs of the story. The entire story is too large to display on the board. I can email to interested individuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack C., 69th NY View Post
    .... Sergeant James Deaves into a United Kingdom newspaper database. The Shrewsbury Chronicle from October 28, 1860 had a detailed, front page story about Sergeant Deaves, his rifle and the dinner when the rifle was presented. It is an interesting read.
    Yes that's one of the papers I referred to when writing my article in the above Journal.

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    Much appreciated David,
    amazing what is still available after all these years.
    Jack, if I PM my email address would you mind sending me a copy of that paper?
    Thanks,
    Greg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GDU View Post
    Much appreciated David,
    amazing what is still available after all these years.
    Jack, if I PM my email address would you mind sending me a copy of that paper?
    Thanks,
    Greg.

    Greg, email has been sent.
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