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    140th National, Wrong Gauge Wire

    Since we are discussing the 140th National, and observations thereof, lets discuss the gauge of the majority of the wires which were provided for hanging the targets. The gauge we have been using is about 14 Ga. (actual diameter 0.062), with the new delivery of wire coming in at about 12 Ga. (actual diameter 0.078). Hanging the Tiles was tough, but able to be done. The Hanging Birds, were much more difficult with a few breaking along the way. BUT.....the Pots were nearly impossible! My team broke the top holed section of the Pot off 3 times on Carbine and 3 times for Musket just assembling them. And that was with being as careful as possible knowing that the wire was too stiff and the Pots were fragile. While hanging the Pots on Sunday we broke 2 more at the 50 yard line just trying to straighten them. We then discovered that the sub-stations had already handed out all of the spare Pots they had been issued because of the high rate of breakage. All of which was due to the heavier gauge wire.

    I made an attempt later on after the Musket Team Match to find out why we had such heavy gauge wire. The answer I received was that although the delivery of wires was marked "14 Ga.", once the shipment was opened they were discovered to be 12 Ga. The wires are ordered pre-cut to our specified size, so I rather doubt that returning them was much of an option.

    It would be interesting to know how many Pots were broken in assembly and hanging before a shot was ever fired! If I recall correctly, the Pots are the most individually expensive target purchased by the N-SSA.

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    Large Gauge Wire and Pots

    Quote Originally Posted by John Holland View Post
    Since we are discussing the 140th National, and observations thereof, lets discuss the gauge of the majority of the wires which were provided for hanging the targets. The gauge we have been using is about 14 Ga. (actual diameter 0.062), with the new delivery of wire coming in at about 12 Ga. (actual diameter 0.07. Hanging the Tiles was tough, but able to be done. The Hanging Birds, were much more difficult with a few breaking along the way. BUT.....the Pots were nearly impossible! My team broke the top holed section of the Pot off 3 times on Carbine and 3 times for Musket just assembling them. And that was with being as careful as possible knowing that the wire was too stiff and the Pots were fragile. While hanging the Pots on Sunday we broke 2 more at the 50 yard line just trying to straighten them. We then discovered that the sub-stations had already handed out all of the spare Pots they had been issued because of the high rate of breakage. All of which was due to the heavier gauge wire.

    I made an attempt later on after the Musket Team Match to find out why we had such heavy gauge wire. The answer I received was that although the delivery of wires was marked "14 Ga.", once the shipment was opened they were discovered to be 12 Ga. The wires are ordered pre-cut to our specified size, so I rather doubt that returning them was much of an option.

    It would be interesting to know how many Pots were broken in assembly and hanging before a shot was ever fired! If I recall correctly, the Pots are the most individually expensive target purchased by the N-SSA.

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    John,
    We broke no pots with the new wire. Actually, I rather liked it as it was more sturdy in the wind. If you tried wrapping the wired around the pot, you probably broke it. If you threaded the wire through the hole, down the back, and then just bent it over the bottom it held well and kept the pot from moving, or breaking. I had no trouble with pigeons either. Just my comment.

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    no problems with hanging the pots it took a minute to figure it out but it worked and no broken pots or clays. not a problem. (all team events except revolver)

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    I see the method you have described as being improperly hung as per the Rules.

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    After breaking one I started pre-bending the wire before feeding them through the hole. No more breaks.

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    I used my Zippo in the ready area to heat the wire before trying to bend it around the fragile targets.

    Worked pretty well! No broken targets and only singed my fingertips twice.
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    We didn't break any.

    If this heavier wire sticks around for some reason, and even if it doesn't... we shot a skirmish in the MW with real flower pots this year. Not silhouettes. I was told that they were cheaper than the plaster NSSA outlines now, though still more expensive than the cheaper non logo ones a lot of the regions use.

    Just something to consider. If there is a cheap source for real pots out there, I mean real flower pots, I don't see those breaking as easy. Though painting them all would be a pain... toss one can of paint in per position. 97 cents at wal mart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob FreemanWBR View Post
    I used my Zippo in the ready area to heat the wire before trying to bend it around the fragile targets.

    Worked pretty well! No broken targets and only singed my fingertips twice.
    Assuming that you didn?t mean to say that you were using an open flame in the ?Ready Area?. That would be against the rules and a severe safety issue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by P.Altland View Post
    Assuming that you didn?t mean to say that you were using an open flame in the ?Ready Area?. That would be against the rules and a severe safety issue.


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    No Paul, my previous thread was completely in JEST...

    Just wanted to see if anybody reads these threads closely and would take note.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Holland View Post
    I see the method you have described as being improperly hung as per the Rules.
    The Rules also state the type of wire to be used, so let's call it a wash.

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