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    Bullet recommendation for Two-band Enfield

    Hello,

    I recently purchased a 2 band Enfield as my very first muzzeloader. Does anyone have recommendations for what bullet I should go for? I tried doing my own research on this forum and compiled some candidates.
    - Lyman 575213-NS 510gr New Style
    - Lyman 575213-PH 566gr Parker Hale
    - Lyman 577611 530 gr
    - Moose Moulds 577 420gr Wilkinson
    - NOE 576 526gr

    I read that the British used paper patched Pritchetts, but does anyone bother with paper patching in the NSSA community for competition?

    thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obi2winky View Post
    Hello,

    I recently purchased a 2 band Enfield as my very first muzzeloader. Does anyone have recommendations for what bullet I should go for? I tried doing my own research on this forum and compiled some candidates.
    - Lyman 575213-NS 510gr New Style
    - Lyman 575213-PH 566gr Parker Hale
    - Lyman 577611 530 gr
    - Moose Moulds 577 420gr Wilkinson
    - NOE 576 526gr

    I read that the British used paper patched Pritchetts, but does anyone bother with paper patching in the NSSA community for competition?

    thanks!
    Who’s the maker of the Enfield?

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    It’s Parker Hale.


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    You want a minie 1-2 Thousanths under bore size. You need to measure bore and proceed from there. Not all guns take a.575
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    paper patching is not allowed. Measure bore first. Minie 1-2 Thousanths under bore size
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    I'll make this very easy for you.

    I have a 1st gen Parker Hale, nothing done but skirmish sights and trigger. The bore measures .576 by pin gauge.

    RCBS Hogdon minie with thin skirt base plug in the mold sized to 575. Pure lead, pot at 850. 43gr 3f Old Eynsford, RWS caps, Crisco only lube applied just prior to a skirmish to the sides and a hint in the base and I mean just a wee bit.

    This load and gun will shoot into one hole at 50yds and about 2in at 100. I loaned this gun to a fellow skirmisher on my team last Nats and he hit 36 for 39 shots. I was standing next to him and it's no BS.
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    Hi Obi2winky!

    I have a Pedersoli P58. It has a 1:48 twist, which is quite a bit faster than the normal 1:70 or so you see with muskets like the P53. By hill's Equation, they should need a heavier (longer) bullet, and I have found that to be the case with mine, though others have reported different results.

    I attempted to use the RCBS Hodgdon bullet, a popular N-SSA skirmishing bullet due to its massive lube rings and reasonable weight (about 420 grains as I recall), but I got keyholes even when properly sized to my Pedersoli P58, which takes .578-sized bullets. Others have reported good results with this bullet.

    The 575213PH is/was a recommended bullet for the P58. It's basically the 575123OS with a truncated base plug which results in a shallower cavity, and thus a heavier bullet. I bought one but unfortunately it dropped bullets of pure lead at .575 (as it was supposed to). This was smaller than I would prefer.

    One time I was doing a load workup with the RCBS-500M and 2F Goex powder, and I got a clover-leaf group at 50 yards off a bench with 60 grains 2F Goex. I have not invested any time confirming this as it is a heavy bullet and heavy charge and so more expensive to shoot than my Euroarms P53 with Whitacre barrel which shoots a lighter bullet with less powder and is a tack driver. However my daughter is only a few years away from shooting age so I may be revisiting the P58 again. The RCBS500M is a massive bullet with a thick skirt.

    I also had a new core pin made up for a Lyman traditional minie (can't remember the mold number) mold with a truncated core pin. The Lyman mold produces a bullet with a thinner skirt than the RCBS500M, so I am hopeful it would shoot with less powder.

    My feeling is the faster twist of the P58 is going to prefer, and perhaps require, a heavier bullet, which is probably why they invented the 575213PH.

    Paper-patched bullets like the British Enfield style of cartridge are not currently permitted for N-SSA competition. Still, I have experimented with them for fun and historical education. I never did extensive load workups with them, but I can believe they were the ultimate evolution of muzzle-loading ammunition after trying them. They load easily and swab the bore with lube on loading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Lou Lou View Post
    paper patching is not allowed. Measure bore first. Minie 1-2 Thousanths under bore size
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    How does one measure the bore for muzzleloaders?

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