Is this a Garrett 1863 Sharps?

[762x51]

I received a percussion 1863 Sharps Carbine today that I was told was a Garrett Sharps. There are no Garrett markings at all. Would you please take a look at the photos I just posted on my web site and let me know what you think. The photo below is of markings on the barrel and it looks like someone tried to erase the word "Pedersoli".

Maybe it is a Garrett - Did Pedersoli make some of them for him?

More photos here: http://www.autochart.com/1863sharps.htm

Thanks in advance -
Orin

[762x51]

The date code "BB" = 1992 and without question the rifle was made by Pedersoli 5 or so years after Garrett went out of business.

It's interesting that the lock has a Lawrence Pellet Primer on it and the serial number on the Lock matches the frame and barrel.

[John Holland]

It seems as if you have pretty much answered your own questions, and I agree with your conclusions.

[P.Altland]

How many L&Gs in the barrel?


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[Ron The Old Reb]

I bought my Garret Sharps in the fall of 1985 or 1986 and was one of the last one's made. The date on it is AN 1985. it also has a patch box on the right side of the stock I don't know if they all had patch box's or not. But the stock is made from a nice piece of walnut not the light colored wood that yours is. The side plate has Garret stamped on it and there is a cartouche on the left side under the saddle ring with Garret's initials. I don't think what you have is a Garret. The lock may be but the rest is something else. I may be wrong but I don't think Pedersoli made any for Garret. But as far as I know Garrets are the only repro's with a working pellet priming system.

[Maillemaker]

I don't know what you paid for it, and it certainly isn't a complete Garret based on that Pedersoli barrel, but it doesn't look like a terrible put-together. Looks like you have a Garret receiver (based on the functioning pellet primer and the case hardened block) married to a Pedersoli barrel and furniture. I think the authentic-style receiver is cool and Pedersoli makes decent stuff. So I guess all I'm saying is that while it may not be a true Garrett it still looks like a nice find to me, depending on what you paid for it, of course.

Steve

[P.Altland]

A number of years ago I was at the Antique Arms Show in Timonium, MD mulling over an "As New" Garrett that didn't look quite right. Fortunately, at the time, Frank was a Vendor. I asked him if he would look at this carbine at tell me if it was right and true. While I have seen differently on this board, Frank at the time told me that the Palmetto tooling was sold to Pedersoli. Would seem to make sense since the Pedersolis that I have seen have the same 6 groove right barrels and not 3 groove like the IAB. He also told me that the carbines with his cartouche on the left side were ones that he personally approved and that there were never any of his with 5 digit serial numbers. However, he did say that there were some out there that were produced after his contract with Palmetto ended. While it may not be a "true and right" Garrett, it may not be the intentional scam you think that it is. Take this FWIW. I wasn't part of the N-SSA during the time they were being produced and can only go with what he told me.

[762x51]

Hi Paul,

The lock plate may have been one that was bought from whoever was selling off the left over parts when Garrett went out of the "Sharps" business.

Point is, this is not a "true" Garrett carbine. Larry Flees has sent me some photos of his Garrett Carbine and I will be posting his photos and photos of mine side by side on my web site later and you'll be able to see the difference between the two.

Orin

[P.Altland]

Hi Paul,

I would agree that this was an upfront sale if I hadn't been told, in a phone conversation, that the carbine had been "defarbed".
If you look at the photos you'll see that this carbine hasn't been "defarbed" and the proof marks are still on the receiver.
The lock plate may have been one that was bought from whoever was selling off the left over parts when Garrett went out of the "Sharps" business.

Point is, this is not a "true" Garrett carbine. Larry Flees has sent me some photos of his Garrett Carbine and I will be posting his photos and photos of mine side by side on my web site later today and you'll be able to see the difference between the two.

Orin

I'm aware of what the Garretts look like as I own and shoot a Carbine in 6 right and a Carbine in 7 left. What i'm saying is that, if what Frank Garrett told me at the time is accurate, your carbine could (stress could) be one of those assembled after the tooling left Palmetto. Again, while maybe not a Palmetto Arms Garrett, it may have been produced with the same tooling and left over parts at a factory and not somebody's basement. Unfortunately Frank is no longer around to ask.

[gemmer]

I'm aware of what the Garretts look like as I own and shoot a Carbine in 6 right and a Carbine in 7 left. What i'm saying is that, if what Frank Garrett told me at the time is accurate, your carbine could (stress could) be one of those assembled after the tooling left Palmetto. Again, while maybe not a Palmetto Arms Garrett, it may have been produced with the same tooling and left over parts at a factory and not somebody's basement. Unfortunately Frank is no longer around to ask.

Could be, but either way it appears the seller was up to something by trying to remove the Pedersoli logo. I'm curious as to whether or not he claimed to be the original owner. Also, how does it function-lock up of the breech block to chamber face, lock/trigger function, etc.?