Comparing the Pedersoli P1853 with the Pedersoli P1858.

**Maillemaker** · 01-02-2015

Now that I own both a Pedersoli P58 and a P53, there are some interesting tidbits I thought I would share with everyone.

I picked up the P58 shortly after Pedersoli released their re-tooled Enfields, buying it new in box but second-hand from a forum member here.

I picked up the P53 just a few days ago.

The P58 had left-over Euroarms parts on and in it. It was clearly using the cast Euroarms sight, which I promptly replaced with a Rich Cross machined sight. The P53 came with a crisp new machined sight. The P58 lock also had some left-over Euroarms parts. The bridle still had the P-H casting in it.

The stirrup arm on the tumbler of the P58 was very weak. There was not enough material around the hole for the trunnion on the the stirrup linkage. As a result, the part snapped as I disassembled the lock. Fortunately I had a machined Lodgewood tumbler and sear to drop in. As you can see on the P53, this problem has been remedied and there is plenty of material around the hole for the trunnion. Also the P53 lock appears to be all new components; No more Euroarms left-over parts.

Pedersoli P58 Lock:
http://i.imgur.com/MYSpamP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6cE5UQt.jpg

Broken stirrup arm on P58:
http://i.imgur.com/bmu4QEe.jpg

Pedersoli P53 Lock:
http://i.imgur.com/5wxn2vt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/54uIXbp.jpg

The lockplate fit on both guns was extremely tight. So much so that on the P58 the first time I pushed the lock plate out, using its mounting screws, it raised a splinter out of the stock near the front of the lockplate.

Splinter:
http://i.imgur.com/m3anaoz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Zr3c00M.jpg

Another point of interest is that on the P58, Pedersoli obviously re-contoured the stock, making the rear of the lock panel protrusion more pointy, as is frequently seen on originals. But they did not propagate this change on the P53.

P58 compared to P53:
http://i.imgur.com/RxPo805.jpg

Both guns feature the numerous cosmetic changes including square-eared lock washers, BSAT stock cartouches, more correct Palmer-style barrel bands, more correct swivel hardware, and correct lockplate markings. On the P58, Pedersoli added pseudo proof marks to the barrel to mimic the historical markings, but they are clearly laser etched and do not look quite like the original stamped markings. On the P53, some of the pseudo-proofs are on the barrel, while some carry over across the seam onto the cast breech section. The proofs on the barrel are laser-etched as on the P58, whereas the proof marks on the cast breech are cast into it. The cast markings, while not as crisp as stamped markings, actually look more like stamped markings than the laser-engraved ones on the barrel.

Full view of both guns side-by-side:
http://i.imgur.com/CzbzCvP.jpg

It would appear that in the intervening months of my purchase of the P58 until my purchase of the P53 that Pedersoli has continued making improvements to their bought-out and re-tooled Euroarms Enfields. The quality of the parts has improved as they have replaced Euroarms components with their own, though it is puzzling why they are not re-contouring the stock around the lockplate as they did on the P58.

Link to entire album of photos:
http://imgur.com/a/b0ONh

Steve

**Gunnar** · 01-17-2015

Good writeup. I'm on the hunt for a P53 so that I can join in the fun, and I am glad to hear the Pedersoli has been improved.

Now to find one and a group with which to shoot.

**Maillemaker** · 01-17-2015

Hello Gunnar,

Here is a Google map showing where all the current active skirmish event sites are:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?m...U.kSOtqeWZ3gDU

If you click on any of the icons it will bring up a dialog showing you the web site of whatever region(s) use the site.

Steve

**Gunnar** · 01-18-2015

Great link, thank you. I'm pretty sure I'm in Tidewater, and I sent a membership query to Rowan Artillery a week or so ago, just waiting on a response. But glad to see this is an approved piece, since it was the one I planned to buy for use with the reenactment group.

**MR. GADGET** · 01-18-2015

Feel free to contact me fo info.
don't know why no one has contacted you could be a problem with our web sight.

most of our team is based in the raleigh area.

**R. McAuley 3014V** · 01-19-2015

"The lockplate fit on both guns was extremely tight. So much so that on the P58 the first time I pushed the lock plate out, using its mounting screws, it raised a splinter out of the stock near the front of the lockplate."

The lock-plates of original P53 Enfields have a slight bevel along the edges of the plate to eliminate this pressure against the wood, which in examining the photos you provide of the Pedersoli products, seem to be missing this bevel.

BTW does anyone know what the butt-stock length is on the new Pedersoli Enfields, short (13-inch) or long (14-inch)?

**Maillemaker** · 01-19-2015

I believe the Pedersoli's are the short pull.

Steve

**nssa-admin** · 01-20-2015

Hey Gunnar, email me at webmaster@n-ssa.org. I'm on Rowan, I think our website email is down, I'm checking it. But drop me a line.

Originally Posted by Gunnar

Great link, thank you. I'm pretty sure I'm in Tidewater, and I sent a membership query to Rowan Artillery a week or so ago, just waiting on a response. But glad to see this is an approved piece, since it was the one I planned to buy for use with the reenactment group.