What is the difference in a 1842 CS Richmond Cavalry Musketoon and CS Richmond Cavalry Carbine

[MR. GADGET]

What is the difference in a 1842 CS Richmond Cavalry Musketoon and CS Richmond Cavalry Carbine?

Does one have a shorter barrel and the swivel rammer?

I remember JRA making the Musketoon and it was a 24" and had the pinch front sight if my brain has not failed me.

The CC was being built by JGZ but have not seen one.

[Curt]

Hallo!

A bity tricky as Richmond sometimes was lax on their terminology referring to a musketoon .69 and a 1842 carbine .69 when they were the same gun made up from Harpers Ferry parts and recycled battlefield pick-ups. But in (really) brief...

The Richmond "musketoon" was essentially a "cut down" smoothbore M1842 with a nominal 24 inch barrel and carbine swivels. Fist batch came out in September 1862, followed by November.

In November 1862, Richmond came out with the carbine .58 Calibre which was the familiar "Richmond Carbine" with nominal 25 in barrel built/based upon M1855 RM from Harpers Ferry and Richmond Armory parts.

Richmond records list Carbines that were the .69 musketoons, then Carbines 1842 or 1842 Carbines, but added Carbines .58 caliber. or sometimes the .58 Caliber Rifle Carbine, etc., etc.

Curt

[MR. GADGET]

I'm talking about both these guns being built from an 1842.
We have two that are approved under the smoothbores and I know about the 58 that is rifled as I shoot one of them also.

[MR. GADGET]

under the smoothbores
http://n-ssa.org/files/2014approvedarms.pdf

[Curt]

Hallo!

Sorry, Dunno.

I will need help, as I do not understand the N-SSA listing's difference between a (Richmond) cavalry carbine and cavalry musketoon made from a cut-down M1842 in .69.

In US service the M1847 Artillery Musketoon had a rear band swivel and butt swivel (NUG) while the Cavalry Musketoon had no swivels and a captured ramrod. But I cannot, at the moment, think of a distinction for the Richmond M1842 shortened musketoons/carbines other than Richmond's sloppy recording.

SAC, help?

:)

Curt

[John Holland]

The C.S. Richmond Musketoon and Carbine, both modified from salvaged Model 1842 Muskets, are identified in Paul Davies book (C.S. Armory Richmond) on pages 70 and 80 respectively. They are essentially the same arm with the lower sling swivel in a different location. Mr. Zimmerman opted to produce the version with terminology differing from the one that James River Armory had made.

While on this topic, it must be noted that both arms, as approved for use in the N-SSA, have the low Richmond pinched front sight as shown on page 84 of Paul Davies book. It has been noted that there are many of these arms on the line that have very high front sights which are much different from what they are supposed to be. If one of these arms are found during a lottery draw the individual, or team, will be penalized. The N-SSA's Rules state very clearly that you may not modify the sights on a smoothbore in any way, shape, or form from the way they were issued.

John Holland
SAC