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Minieball577
06-25-2009, 11:51 AM
John, I have been doing more research and came across this highly reputable video that surely will add to our collective knowledge of 19th century firearms. :shock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IujT8Pza6rs

Fred Jr
06-25-2009, 02:18 PM
Boy, am I glad I checked this site!!!! Every thing I thought I knew was wrong but now I have been educated!!!!

Fred

S.Sullivan
06-25-2009, 03:50 PM
This snippet has been posted on another forum as well, and begs the question, Is this serious?
S.Sullivan

bilge water bob
06-25-2009, 04:28 PM
I found it most ejamukational, I often carry and attach extra muzzles when loading a muzzle loader, if I didn't I'd just have a loader,? right? :shock:

Wayne Shaw, 1985V
06-25-2009, 04:59 PM
John Don't we have an opening on the SAC for this lady. With her vast knowledge and delivery style she would be a big hit when things get slow during inspections. WOW where do they come from. Wayne

Eric A. Savickas, 08663V
06-25-2009, 06:57 PM
Obviously comes from under a BIG rock!

John Holland
06-25-2009, 07:23 PM
Thanks Chris!

I now see where we have gone wrong and will now be able to open up our competitive matches to a much broader scope of arms ! ! !

It looks as if my next article for the Skirmish Line will have to take a completely different approach to what we use!

John Holland
Chairman, Small Arms Committee
(Re-Educated!)

Larry Funk, 3148V
06-25-2009, 08:03 PM
Was she sober? :?

William H. Shuey
06-25-2009, 11:12 PM
from a hole in the ground. What do you want to bet she's a staunch Democrat??

Bill Shuey

Jim Brady Knap's Battery
06-26-2009, 08:27 AM
She's going to be an instructor in one of the new "camps" they are getting set up.

Jim Brady
2249V
Knap's Battery

Charlie Hahn
06-26-2009, 09:21 AM
WOW! This is how history gets re-written.

Charlie

Edwin Flint, 8427
06-26-2009, 08:07 PM
It absolutely amazes me that she's considered an expert! :shock: :? :roll:

Any chance of some of our more photogenic folks putting a correction/rebutal to the dear lady's mis-informative video?

John Holland
06-26-2009, 08:43 PM
My vote is for Nancy Hill to do the rebuttal ! ! !

JDH

Chapman's Battery
06-26-2009, 11:08 PM
Was the gatlin gun used in the civil war? Just curious in what battle or where it might have been used?

Edwin Flint, 8427
06-27-2009, 12:09 AM
There was not a formal adoption of the Gatling gun until after the war.

Found this short paragraph at civilwarhome.com that agrees with what I have previously read. Let me know if it is not correct.


The Gatling gun saw only limited use in the Civil War, (Ben Butler used two around Petersburg and eight on gunboats; Porter acquired one; and Hancock ordered twelve for his I (Veteran) Corps), however, the conflict did test this weapon, perhaps the first successful true machine gun used in warfare. Invented by Dr. Richard Jordan Gatling, the Civil War model served as the precursor of more successful models.
The Gatling gun was a hand-crank-operated weapon with 6 barrels revolving around a central shaft. The cartridges were fed to the gun by gravity through a hopper mounted on the top of the gun. 6 cam-operated bolts alternately wedged, fired, and dropped the bullets, which were contained in steel chambers. Gatling used the 6 barrels to partially cool the gun during firing. Since the gun was capable of firing 600 rounds a minute, each barrel fired 100 rounds per minute.
The gun had a number of problems, however. The bores were tapered, and often the barrels and chambers did not exactly align, affecting accuracy and velocity. The chamber system itself, in which a paper cartridge was contained inside a capped steel chamber, was both expensive and fragile. While the gun showed much promise and fired the standard .58-caliber ammunition, it had so many drawbacks and was so radical in both design and purpose that Gatling was unable to interest the U.S. government. The army purchased none of his guns, but Maj. Gen. Benjamin F. Butler, after a field test, purchased 12 for $1,000 each and two were used on the Petersburg front in 1864 and apparently were considered successful.
In Jan. 1865 Gatling's improved Model 1865 gun was tested by the Ordnance Department. Among other things, this weapon used rimfire copper-cased cartridges instead of the steel-chambered paper variety. Though this model did not see service, it was adopted officially in 1866. Having at last received government approval, Gatling began to sell his guns throughout the world; they achieved lasting fame in the post-war years.

Edwin Flint, 8427
06-27-2009, 12:10 AM
John,

I second the nomination of Nancy Hill!!!! :P :D

Richard Hill
06-27-2009, 11:31 AM
Nancy sez:

"John, you write the script and I'll do it!

Terry Davis 10639
06-27-2009, 02:30 PM
Whats more is that she appears to have other videos on other historical topics like armor.

Clearly Civil war period weapons are not her area of expertise. I HOPE one of the other videos is.
Otherwise, who the hell found her, and WHY did they record her?
Terry

Bob Seng, 10979
06-28-2009, 05:52 PM
John,

Now seriously I think Nancy has alot more class then that, to be included or even suggested to do the rebuttal.
Just my thoughts on the subject

John Holland
06-28-2009, 09:20 PM
Bobby,

That's the whole idea...Nancy is a class act ! ! !

JDH

Bob Seng, 10979
06-28-2009, 09:43 PM
I stand corrected.

curry
06-30-2009, 08:07 PM
THAT COLT Is worth about 35 to 50 grand at least . :roll: I am for nancy rebute that kow it al that don t know that it takes longer to take a part a musket than it takes to reload it. at least for me .Jim 37th GA.