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drider98
11-03-2011, 10:44 PM
Parker Hale Whitworth Rifle.......

$1200 Never Fired,Fullstock, checkered wrist and forearm. .451 Blued 36" tapered round barrel with Hexagon Whitworh rifling. Front sight is blued steel globe w/ bead post and rear sight is blue steel w/elevator marked to 1000 yards. Engraved lockplate marked "Whitworth" ahead of hammer & crown on tail. Barrel marked "Parker Hale LTD Birmingham England" in one line in front of sight and "Sir Joseph Whitworths Rifling .451" on left side. Uses a special .451 hexagonal bullet or from a "special Whitworth mould." Made by Gibbs Rifle Company - Parker Hale/Italy.

$1200 plus shipping, firm. Gun is still in original box and never fired or altered...

Pictures available Here:


http://www.berdansharpshooters.com/Whitworth/IMG_1972.JPG

http://www.berdansharpshooters.com/Whitworth/IMG_1973.JPG

http://www.berdansharpshooters.com/Whitworth/IMG_1974.JPG

http://www.berdansharpshooters.com/Whitworth/IMG_1975.JPG

http://www.berdansharpshooters.com/Whitworth/IMG_1976.JPG

http://www.berdansharpshooters.com/Whitworth/IMG_1977.JPG

http://www.berdansharpshooters.com/Whitworth/IMG_1978.JPG

http://www.berdansharpshooters.com/Whitworth/IMG_1979.JPG

http://www.berdansharpshooters.com/Whitworth/IMG_1980.JPG

Email me for details dmrider@ptd.net

mikesryan
11-20-2011, 11:46 PM
does it come with the Hex mold as well? And if so, cash, check or money order?

MikeArthur
11-22-2011, 08:21 AM
if it is a Gibbs or a 1st Gen PH?

thanks

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drider98
11-23-2011, 09:20 AM
It is a Gibbs........

drider98
11-23-2011, 09:21 AM
There is no mold included.....

MikeArthur
11-23-2011, 12:59 PM
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R Filbert
11-12-2017, 04:18 PM
The pics that I saw say Parker hale on the barrel did Gibbs use their barrels? Or are Gibbs and Parker Hale on and the same? have to ask as I am not up on either. All I know is that the bands are incorrect on the 3 banders.

John Holland
11-12-2017, 04:45 PM
Gibbs Rifle Co. is a division of Navy Arms, everything is made in Italy.

R. McAuley 3014V
11-13-2017, 11:26 AM
does it come with the Hex mold as well? And if so, cash, check or money order?

You won't need the hex bullet unless you just want one. Just use the cylindro-conical bullet, and be done with it. It will obturate and be just as hex when it hits the target as the mechanically-fitted bullet. If you like, you can get one with a hollow base and won't need to paper-patch it. Just plenty of grease and size it to about a .448 (just enough to fit the flats on the hex bore).

R. McAuley 3014V
11-13-2017, 11:38 AM
The pics that I saw say Parker hale on the barrel did Gibbs use their barrels? Or are Gibbs and Parker Hale on and the same? have to ask as I am not up on either. All I know is that the bands are incorrect on the 3 banders.

The Metford (Gibbs) barrels made by Pedersoli are steel castings and the bore is then reamed and rifled. I bought one of the .40 caliber rifles and had it re-bored to .453 and re-rifled as 5-groove, 1:20 based on the spec on one of Thomas Turner's rifles used in the preliminary trials held at Witton (this being from an article in The Argus, August 9, 1860, Melbourne), intimates:


The first 50 rounds were fired from an Enfield musket of .453 bore, rifled with five ordinary grooves, with one complete turn in 20 inches, the barrel being 39 inches long, and the same weight as the Enfield rifle now in the hands of our troops. The range was 500 yards, the weight of the powder 2.5 drachms, and the weight of bullet 530 grains. The whole of the bullets were fired into a radius of 9 inches, decimal 4. A second gun, of the same case and facility as at the first, the result being 9 inches, decimal 60. In the 10 last shots from this gun there were several bull’s-eyes. A third gun was then shot, at the same distance, with barrel 32 inches long, the result of which was a radius of 10 inches.

PoorJack
11-13-2017, 11:54 AM
Note that the group size as stated in the historic example was at 500yds with a RADIUS of 9.4in. That's group size in our terms of 18.8in or just under 4moa.

R. McAuley 3014V
11-13-2017, 01:05 PM
These quantities reflect the mean deviation, in other words, the rifles are fired from a fixed position at an aiming point (i.e. the bull's-eye), and hits are measured relative to the center of the aiming point, such that you are measuring all of the bullet holes relative to a center point, so it is literally a 9.4-inch group. These rifles were shot from a machine rest, so theoretically, the bullets should all strike the same point on the target under ideal conditions. However, in actual competition they would have been shot from either the shoulder, or kneeling, Hythe position. Even the competition in the Queen's Prize up to 1,000 yards was shot in this manner.

These "small bore Enfield" groups sizes were comparable to those of the Whitworth rifle at the time, which was why there were so many makers of small-bore Enfields, and it was almost like every maker had their own specialty target. The Metford Rifle was exclusively made by Gibbs in the 1860s. So Pedersoli may have decided to use the name "Gibbs Rifle" rather than calling it the "Metford" rifle because there was a subsequent breech-loading target rifle known as the Gibbs Metford-Farquharson single-shot target rifle?