WTB .576 Hodgdon mold

[michael noble]

Looking to buy a .576 Hodgdon mold.

[WBowen70]

It's amazing no one has them

[Lou Lou Lou]

I heard they stopped making them.

[Kevin Tinny]

Hello:
Am not sure if an RCBS P/N 82162, 580 HODGDON will help you. I have one new, unused with the Dewald plug that casts a 50gr lighter bullet in pure at 347gr. I also have one of the same, new, unused with stock plug at 416gr. Both are known as the Bagdon bullet.
So, if one or both might work, please let me know and we can discuss a fair price. My idea of fair is list plus shipping. Tx. Smiles.
Kevin Tinny
PS: FWIW, I just searched the usual sources, S and S, TOW, Buffalo, North East Trade Co and all, including RCBS show either out of stock or discontinued. Prices ranged between $110 and $115. Kevin

[dougmichigan]

Buffalo Arms Co. shows all RCBS Hodgdon NSSA Minnie Ball Molds "discontinued by the manufacturer". First Goex, then no caps, now no molds? It keeps getting harder and harder to be in this sport.

[CAGerringer]

Buffalo Arms Co. shows all RCBS Hodgdon NSSA Minnie Ball Molds "discontinued by the manufacturer".

Looks like a perfect opportunity for Moose to fill a hole in the marketplace.

Respectfully,
Charlie Gerringer
Old Dominion Dragoons

[Kevin Tinny]

Hello, again:

The development of the RCBS-Hodgdon "wad-cutter" minie by Tony Bagdon and J. B. Hodgdon included both a 54 and 58 minie. Johnny Dewald, of North East Trade Co. in Mauncy, PA, collaborated on the project and made many base plugs. He told me that the base plug shape was a real pain. Anyone thinking about making these would be wise to consult w Johnny D. I love mine, esp. in 56" twist Hoyt's.
Smiles.
Kevin Tinny

[PoorJack]

Looks like a perfect opportunity for Moose to fill a hole in the marketplace.

Respectfully,
Charlie Gerringer
Old Dominion Dragoons

Uhmm.... Moose DOES make one. I have one and it is a great mold. Mine drops at .580 and I size down as far as .576 with no issues. I also have the RCBS Hogdon with the tall base plug. After some testing, I see no difference in the Moose and the RCBS in terms of accuracy, both are great but after today's test, I'm Moose all the way.

[CAGerringer]

Jack, maybe he does, but it's not listed on his web site.
Respectfully,
Charlie Gerringer
Old Dominion Dragoons

[PoorJack]

Jack, maybe he does, but it's not listed on his web site.
Respectfully,
Charlie Gerringer
Old Dominion Dragoons

This from Moose's website-

If you can?t find what you are looking for, additional products may be available. Contact us for details.

[gemmer]

Hello, again:

The development of the RCBS-Hodgdon "wad-cutter" minie by Tony Bagdon and J. B. Hodgdon included both a 54 and 58 minie. Johnny Dewald, of North East Trade Co. in Mauncy, PA, collaborated on the project and made many base plugs. He told me that the base plug shape was a real pain. Anyone thinking about making these would be wise to consult w Johnny D. I love mine, esp. in 56" twist Hoyt's.
Smiles.
Kevin Tinny

My 56" Hoyt twist, .577 Mississippi agrees with you.

[Muley Gil]

How does the Hodgdon Minie do in a Parker-Hale 1858 with 1" in 48" twist?

[Kevin Tinny]

Hello, Gil:
I have no idea. If no one responds, I can send some for you to try.
Will standby. Smiles.
Kevin Tinny

[Muley Gil]

Thanks Kevin. :)

[Rebel Dave]

NOE Moulds makes the Hodgdon mould also.They have different sizes, and different size base plugs, also.
Only thing is they show as all out of stock. At least it doesn't say discontinued.

Dave

[PoorJack]

How does the Hodgdon Minie do in a Parker-Hale 1858 with 1" in 48" twist?

Yes, the Hogdon is entire capable in a Parker Hale. Ignore the twist rate stuff and try one. One caveat though, the Hogdon doesn't play too nice with crosswinds because of it's weight. Also, if you don't have the tall base plug, you'll have to up the powder charge from what I'm using.

Muley, since you asked, you'll receive. My Birmingham Parker Hale. Moose Hogdon, 42g 3f Swiss, Scheutzen caps. This is no optical illusion or hoax. The first shot on a clean, cold bore went high. The next 4 went into that hole in the orange 1/2in right of center. The group was shot on 10/29/2022 with witnesses present observing through optics. My PH will always put the first round high and then settle down.
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Here's what the RCBS Hogdon will do from the same rifle. In this group, it was shot a week prior to a spring nationals preCovid to confirm zero. There is no first round flyer since this was shot from a fouled bore. Again, for some reason, my PH shoots high on the first round but then settles in. Load is the RCBS Hogdon, 42g 3f Old E, RWS caps, beeswax/lard.
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This is a 10 shot OFFHAND, rapid fire target with a Zoli. Bullet is the RCBS Hogdon, 3f Scheutzen, Scheutzen caps. This Zoli is being used in our work with kids. The orange is 2in in dia and the green around it is 4in. The reason I use this target is the 1in grid. The one shot to the right is one I pulled but still, a pigeon is the size of the green inner circle and there would have been 10 dead pigeons on a pigeon board with that rifle.
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Here's from my PH musketoon. This group is 100yd. Bullet was a RCBS Hogdon. Load data is on the target. The white diamond is the size of a 100yd tile. POA was center hold, meaning I hold on the right point of a tile during a skirmish.
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My take on this is don't get wrapped up in twist rates. Far more important is bullet quality, bullet to bore fit, quality powder & cap, and lube. Many of us have found different lubes will move POI and open groups up. The Hogdon is not immune from this either.

So while the RCBS mold might be somewhat unobtainium at the moment, Moose DOES make one and it's currently available. I have both, both shoot exceptionally well when loaded right. BOTH can be sized down .005+. Both of my Hogdon molds drop at .581. For my PH, I size to .576, for a change of .005. Experience says that's not a problem.

[michael noble]

[QUOTE=CAGerringer;93637]Looks like a perfect opportunity for Moose to fill a hole in the marketplace.

I agree

[michael noble]

Thanks all for the responses. I didn't see where Moose Moulds advertise for a Hodgdon, so I assumed that they didn't carry them. Moose Moulds do make a high quality mould, I have bought a few and they have done well. I will give them a try.
Thanks again

Mike Noble
Lenoir Braves

[Muley Gil]

Thanks for the info and the targets, Poor Jack. That is a really great group.

[Moose]

Yes I do make them. .578,.580 & .582
i call them the Big John bullet after the late John Gottschall.

[cwbulletman]

I have one and I'm willing to sell. $110 includes S&H
email me at cwbulletman@aol.com It is used but not abused.
I'm still making bullets pistol, carbine and musket from 54 to 69
also smoothbore. Price is $40 as cast for 100 and $50 lubed and
sized plus S&H. For 100 it is $12 up to 750 it is $20.
Good Shooting!
God Bless America!
Pat

[Maillemaker]

How does the Hodgdon Minie do in a Parker-Hale 1858 with 1" in 48" twist?

I had no luck with the RCBS Hodgdon bullet in my Pedersoli P58. I got keyholes. I'm shooting the .578 sized to .578. I got good accuracy with long, expanding balls like the RCBS-500M.

Seeing Jack's target makes me want to try it again.

Steve

[michael noble]

I have one and I'm willing to sell. $110 includes S&H
email me at cwbulletman@aol.com It is used but not abused.
I'm still making bullets pistol, carbine and musket from 54 to 69
also smoothbore. Price is $40 as cast for 100 and $50 lubed and
sized plus S&H. For 100 it is $12 up to 750 it is $20.
Good Shooting!
God Bless America!
Pat


Pat, does it drop minnies at .576? I have a .578 hodgdon, but I am looking one that is .576.
Mike

[geezmo]

I had no luck with the RCBS Hodgdon bullet in my Pedersoli P58. I got keyholes. I'm shooting the .578 sized to .578. I got good accuracy with long, expanding balls like the RCBS-500M.

Seeing Jack's target makes me want to try it again.

Steve

I had the same results until I replaced the base plug for deeper cavity. Now 43 gr. GOEX 3F works.

Good luck,
Barry S.

[JimW]

If there ends up being a real drought, I bet Mark Hubbs could get em made up

[PoorJack]

Pat, does it drop minnies at .576? I have a .578 hodgdon, but I am looking one that is .576.
Mike

Mike-
Regardless of what it drops at, so long as that's over your desired final diameter you're good. You'll need a sizing die from Tom Crone to put it where you want and to ensure concentricity. For my Parker Hale, my Moose mold drops at 581ish and I use one of Tom's push through sizing dies to bring it down to 576.

[PoorJack]

I had no luck with the RCBS Hodgdon bullet in my Pedersoli P58. I got keyholes. I'm shooting the .578 sized to .578. I got good accuracy with long, expanding balls like the RCBS-500M.

Seeing Jack's target makes me want to try it again.

Steve

Steve-
My rifle is a Birmingham Parker Hale. I don't know if the Pedersoli has the same rifling.

[cwbulletman]

Yes I have one that casts 576
Email me at cwbulletman@aol.com
Pat

[michael noble]

Yes I have one that casts 576
Email me at cwbulletman@aol.com
Pat

Pat, give me a few days, going through inspections at work through the weekend. But I am interested.
Thanks

[michael noble]

Yes I have one that casts 576
Email me at cwbulletman@aol.com
Pat
Pat, I will be sending you an email today about the .576 Hodgdson mold. Thanks