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Yancey von Yeast, 8073
05-03-2010, 09:21 PM
Hello,

I have a Hoyt lined Herny that seems to be leading. I am shooting a 1/20 tin lead mix with a mix of 50/50 bees wax and ballistoll. I read about the lube on a BPCR board. It works great for my maynard but not sure about the Henry. It is a soft lube, maybe I need something a bit more stiff?

What about pure lead instead of the tin/lead 1/20 mix? I am new to the Herny thing and need a crash course in Henry loading and shooting!

Thanks!

Joe Plakis, 9575V
05-03-2010, 10:31 PM
I had the same problem and went to pure wheel weights, problem went away.

Yancey von Yeast, 8073
05-03-2010, 10:46 PM
Joe,

Do you find that wheel weights are a mess to work with as far as casting? I always have gotten metal between the blocks and the sprue plate and gored up the top of the mould.

Thanks!

Joe Plakis, 9575V
05-03-2010, 11:13 PM
The temp of the material plays a big issue, I have a Lyman bottom pour that with soft lead I usually have at 7 and casts great minie bullets, as for the henry I have a four cavity 45 mold I use and try my best to keep an even temp across the mold. To stop the mold from fouling up I usually turn the temp down to 6.

I try to shoot stuff as hard as possible.

ian45662
05-04-2010, 08:25 AM
Have you tried to harden the alloy to maybe 16:1

P.Altland
05-04-2010, 07:29 PM
I've softened my wheel weights down to a BRN 8. My bore slugs at .429" and that's what I size to. Softer lead will hopefully allow the bullet to obturate a little if necessary. No leading problems. I use a mixture equal parts by weight of beeswax, crisco and wax toilet gasket. (unused would be preferred) with a 200gr. Big Lube bullet. Makes a nice pasty lube. Barrel runs clean and leaves a nice lube star on the end of the muzzle.

MikeArthur
05-05-2010, 09:55 AM
Hey guy, i have the answer to your question...done a lot of work on henry loads
mike arthur, hart's battery
843 412-1992 :)

matt
05-05-2010, 09:31 PM
i just tried the mav dutch man bullet sized to .428 lubed with a combo of winchester sutlers 300 plus and hard and soft bore butter and the bullet is very hard. i had problems with the rapine bullet leading as it had so little lube on it. my bore size is .430 but with size the cartridge is very tight chambering. i get no leading with the mav ducthman bullet and it doesnt keyhole. the rcbs, lyman and rapine bullets dont really carry enough lube for the bp cartridge esp if you are using full charges instead of seriously reduced loads. they are designed to be shot with smokeless powder.
matt
winslows battery 9775

Johnny Hatfield 11984
05-08-2010, 09:57 PM
There is only one type of bullet for the Henry, Mike Owsiak Makes the mould 431 sized to a 429 with 29gn of 3f. For the lube use GBS lube found at Miami Valley Suttler at the Nat. For the lead I use Wheel and soft together about 20 to 1

Mike Owsiak-Ph 856-596-0177
Mike Rouse miamivsuttler@aol.com

Yancey von Yeast, 8073
05-08-2010, 10:12 PM
How do I get in touch with Mike. His moulds are wonderful and I have several. Does he usually come to the Nationals?

Thanks!

Johnny Hatfield 11984
05-09-2010, 10:12 AM
How do I get in touch with Mike. His moulds are wonderful and I have several. Does he usually come to the Nationals?

Thanks!
Yes Mike will be at the Nat.Give me your camp site and I'll will send him your way. Or Call after 5 pm at 1-856-596-0177

Richard Harris (Bird)
09-22-2010, 10:00 PM
I would be interested in one of Mike's Henry molds. I shoot the Lyman 205 grain bullet and I'm running out of lube about 6 inches from the muzzle.

I missed Spring Nationals but will be there for the Fall Nationals.

We camp in Area 5.

pastore
09-23-2010, 08:50 AM
I shoot the Lyman 205 grain bullet and I'm running out of lube about 6 inches from the muzzle.

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I think if you switch to Swiss 3f this problem will disappear. I tried shooting some bullets from a 6 cavity Lee mold and was experienceing the same problem of fouling close to the muzzle, which I determined was caused by not enough lube on the bullet since it had only a single grease groove. The bullet was very accurate for about 6 or 7 rounds, then started to spread. I loaded 15 rounds with Goex and 15 rounds with Swiss, same bullet same lube. I then benched the rifle and fired the 15 rounds with Goex and the group started to spread after about 8 rounds. I then cleaned the bore, hard fouling near the muzzle. It took about 4 patches to get the bore clean. Then I loaded the rounds with Swiss and fired 15 rounds from the bench. No sign of the group opening up. I cleaned the bore and there was no sign of fouling near the muzzle, and it took only 2 patches to get the bore clean.

09-23-2010, 09:40 AM
I think at least part of the problem could be your bullet size, perhaps the entire problem. If you are shooting a muzzle-loader, you do want the bullet to be sized one or two thousandths less than Bore Diameter. But, if you are shooting a cartridge gun, you usually want the bullet to be at least Groove Diameter, sometimes one or two thousandths over. If you're sizing your bullets less than Bore Diameter in a cartridge gun, you could certainly get gas cutting and associated leading.

MikeArthur
09-23-2010, 04:34 PM
I have a great henry Mold for sale :D

Lyman 4 cavity Henry mold, with handles (429667BV), used once: $100, shipped..very accurate mold for the Uberti Henry

mike arthur, 7815V
hampton Horse artillery
843 412-1992