Chromed 1858 remington

[Michael Bodner]

Would an ORIGINAL '58 Remington that has been chromed (Yea, it makes me want to barf too) be legal for N-SSA? I ask this because the Stainless Steel Navy Arms '58 is legal...

Thanks

-Mike

[Southron Sr.]

I don't recall seeing any evidence that the U.S. Government ever purchased any chromed 1858 Remmies during thr 'Late Unpleasantness Between the States."

Perhaps someone in the Northern Virginia/D.C. area could do some research in the National Archives and see if the governmdent ever purchased any chromed 1858 Remmies.

Didn't the U.S. Navy purchase some "Tinned" Sharps & Hankins Carbines for use aboard blockading ships during the war? Could the Navy have purchased some "Tinned" 1858 (instead od chromed) Remmies? That is a possibility. Inquiring minds want to know.

THANKS!

[Michael Bodner]

Well, I doubt they purchased Stainless Steel ones either, but we've approved them for use.... Hence the extrapolated question...

-Mike

[John Holland]

My goodness! Very simply, "Yes" you can use an original M-1858 Remington Revolver which has been "Hussied Up" with chrome plating! Although we do strongly discourage things like the assortment of Woodland Camouflages, Hot Pink, Day-Glo Green, etc.

John Holland
Small Arms Officer

[Lou Lou Lou]

The gun is approved as issued. I don't believe the finish is an issue

[Eggman]

"Hussied Up"
I'm confused about the usage on this verb. I know somebody "hussied up" the gun by applying the chrome - thus chrome application to a gun would be accomplished by a "hussy." What about bringing it to the line? Would you "hussy it up" to the line? And ergo would that make Bootsie a "hussy?"

[Chris Sweeney]

I suppose it depends on your interpretation of the philosophy of our rules; is it "EVERYTHING NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED IS FORBIDDEN," or; "ANYTHING NOT SPECIFICALLY FORBIDDEN IS ALLOWED?"

I just reread Section 19, which deals with Small Arms. I found nothing related to finishes whatsoever. I would venture that this means I can paint my musket pink with chartreuse polka-dots, as long as I don't add checkering or a red dot.

If there is some rule in re: finishes, it's in the wrong place and I can't find it

[Jim Barber]

I have to wonder if the original folks who wrote the small arms rules took into account the common practice of nickel-plating, chroming, "gussying up"--whatever that godforsaken coating is-- original arms, for parade use? I've seen a few examples of otherwise nice rifles which had been plated mirror-shiny during their second lives starring in American Legion parades and whatnot. Being a history buff as well as a function-over-form kinda guy, it always makes me sad to see this alteration. So it'd be a shame if those arms were forever exiled, never to be fired again, as the hideous finish flakes and spalls. Better they be cleaned up and brought to the line and honored in the only decent manner possible--skirmishing!!!

Cheers
Jim B.

[mike davenport]

I would refer any one who had questions of this type, painting their choice of arm pink, wrapping it in camo, wearing spiked helmets, etc to review the rule on the Spirit of Skirmishing. This is a sport with competitive elements. Keep in mind what we are trying to accomplish here and let your own integrity be your guide.
Mike Davenport
DSR

[Michael Bodner]

Thanks John. I've got a line on it (original '58 in chrome) and was interested to know if it had any ability to be used...

Regardless of finish, I like to keep the old dogs barking...

Thanks again.

-Mike

[Bruce Cobb 1723V]

Chromed musket barrels, locks etc have been around for years without any questions.

[Michael Bodner]

I've been around for years too, doesn't mean anyone wants me.... LOL

[RaiderANV]

Bootie plans to reflect the sun into the other shooters eyes blinding them with the nickel finish.
I shot a Maynard with the tinned finished and several questioned me back in 1984.....they also told me I had to shoot a Smith if I wanted to shoot.

[Curt]

Hallo!

My first original CW revolver purchase was a Remington M1863 New Model Army that had been nickeled. About 60-65% had remained and not flaked off.

Of course, WHEN it was nickel plated is the key.

IMHO, we are not likely to find Government contracts for any as the normal and usual process was for inspectors to compare incoming revolvers against the "standard" first provided by Remington. (And with Ordnance Dept. cheapness and price war with Colt.... I would not expect to see them paying for the extra.)

:)

Although I do ponder the issue with all blued Remingtons as the standard, versus the ones that have a quench color-case-hardened frame. What did the inspector's do? :)

Curt

[John Holland]

Nickel plating, in all reality, does not pre-date 1872.

[bobanderson]

I suppose it depends on your interpretation of the philosophy of our rules; is it "EVERYTHING NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED IS FORBIDDEN," or; "ANYTHING NOT SPECIFICALLY FORBIDDEN IS ALLOWED?"


Raising kids taught me this one - "It's better to apologize than to ask permission."

[Gary Van Kauwenbergh, 101]

Plating can be removed the same way it was put on. I bought an 1816 Harpers Ferry that was nickel plated. I think the plating helped keep it in such nice shape. I almost took it in to have the plating removed, but couldn't get it back in time for Nationals. Then I stood in the rain at the Nationals watching everyone's gun but mine rust, and decided to leave the nickel plating stay for a while.

A few years later, I bought a really nice Lorenz bayonet for next to nothing on E-Bay. I didn't realize the bayonet was nickel plated until it arrived. I took both the 1816 and the bayonet to the Chrome Shop in Menasha, WI where they removed all the plating for $105. The Chrome Shops web site is http://www.thechromeshopinc.com/

[sherm burres]

I really think Bootsie is already gussied up with his White trousers and all that!

[John Holland]

Sherm, you can look at another way, too....The Visitors arrive at the Fort and are ushered down the road toward the main range. Along the way they see the "N-SSA Information Booth" and stop for info, hand-outs, etc. Who is the first person they talk to? Why, none other than Bootsie Bodner....who to those Visitors is now "The Face of the N-SSA!"

[Eggman]

I know it's been said before, but this site badly needs a "like" button.

[MarkTK36thIL]

Gary,
How does the bayonet and musket look now with the plating removed?

[Gary Van Kauwenbergh, 101]

When they came back, they were a little duller than I expected they would be. I polished both the barrel and the bayonet until I thought they looked right.

[ms3635v]

Several years ago I saw a chrome or nickel plated Gallager for sale. The seller told me that it had belonged to a GAR post and was used for parades.

[John Holland]

If I were lucky enough to have a musket and bayonet that was highly likely to have been Nickel plated by a veteran marching in GAR parades, etc. I most assredly would have left it that way! The GAR was well known for Nickel plating their muskets and swords. The reason was that as they aged they were less inclined to expend the labor in keeping them polished bright.

[lostinwestchester]

Would an ORIGINAL '58 Remington that has been chromed (Yea, it makes me want to barf too) be legal for N-SSA? I ask this because the Stainless Steel Navy Arms '58 is legal...

Thanks

-Mike
So that would make camo barrels and stocks on origenal smiths ok...... or what about black out or pink camo... the doors just keep opening...

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[MR. GADGET]

Wonder how one that was coated in the newer high tech coatings would do?

Like a Np3 or other nickel boron....
could make for an easy to clean slick bore.

[John Holland]

lostinwestchester -

Did you read my post on page 1, wherein it states "...we strongly discourage things like the assortment of Woodland Camouflages, Hot Pink, Day-Glo Green, etc."?

There have been allowances made over the years for a very few individuals who hadn't yet cleaned the camo off their carbines which they had used for hunting between skirmish seasons.I would recommend that you do not attempt to abuse the generosity of the N-SSA, for it will take but a stroke of the pen to close that door permanently for all parties.

John Holland
Small Arms Officer

[Lou Lou Lou]

John
please ignore Sam, He doesn't get out much, but is semi- harmless

[RaiderANV]

No need to tell us he doesn't get out much Lou we can all tell.......

.......pink camo was so 2015

[PapaRob]

Well Hell.....there goes me getting my Gallagher Cerakoted Zombie Green...