M 1860 Spencer

[twines]

I am looking for information about and early M 1860. The serial number is 16056. Where can I go to find out where the gun went. What I understand so far it is at the end of the first deliveries to the Army in July of 1863. The sights have been altered but it is a period alteration, most likely done after the war when the man brought it home.. Here is a link to some pictures.

http://s773.photobucket.com/user/twines12/library/Spencer?sort=2&page=1

I change the serial number because I miss read it when I posted original. If you look at the photo's it is easy to see why. The serial number contained in this post is not correct. 16056.


Tom Wines
McGregor's 2nd

[Kevin Tinny]

Suggest contacting CAS/SSS Forum, c/o "Two Flints:

Email him at fsgrand2@fairpoint.net. He should be able to help.
BUT, he will want the photo's or link attached TO YOUR INQUIRING email, which photo's should/must include CLEAR ones of the top of receiver, SERIAL NUMBER and possibly the bottom, rear of the barrel UNDER the forearm (where a second of serial number may be located).

Regards,
Kevin Tinny

[Curt]

Hallo!

Real Quick...

Carbine No, 10026 went to the Tonkawa Scouts at Fort Griffin, July 27, 1873 so that does not help.

I do not see a carbine listing in that range, the nearest down is 9429 and nearest up is 10368.

Hopefully Two Flints can do better for you. Sorry.

Curt

[twines]

I was looking at the pictures not the gun. The second digit is a 6, so the correct serial number is 16056 not 10056.


Hallo!

Real Quick...

Carbine No, 10026 went to the Tonkawa Scouts at Fort Griffin, July 27, 1873 so that does not help.

I do not see a carbine listing in that range, the nearest down is 9429 and nearest up is 10368.

Hopefully Two Flints can do better for you. Sorry.

Curt

[Curt]

Hallo!

16056...

Falls between known 16051 ( 8/17/64) and 16167 (11/14/64) carbines issued to K Company, 11th Michigan Cavalry.

Curt

[twines]

Curt,

Two Flints could confirmed that 16051 & 16067 went to the Co. K. Where do you get the documents on the two known
Spencers.


Tom

[Curt]

Hallo!

An old set of the Springfield Research Service series.

Curt

[brimorse]

My great, great grandfather James W. McOmber mustered out of the 11th MI Cavalry co. K as a seargent June 16 1865. He lied about his age when he enlisted as he was under age.

Neat!

3024

[brimorse]

A few of his personal items. I believe the image to have been taken after he mustered out...

3025

3026

3027

[R. McAuley 3014V]

Hallo!

Real Quick...

Carbine No, 10026 went to the Tonkawa Scouts at Fort Griffin, July 27, 1873 so that does not help.

I do not see a carbine listing in that range, the nearest down is 9429 and nearest up is 10368.

Hopefully Two Flints can do better for you. Sorry.

Curt


Curt,

Need to exercise caution with Spencer serializations because it depends on the model and contract as the Model 1865 carbines made by Spencer and those made by Burnside duplicated the same serial numbers as the M1860 rifles and carbines. For example, SN 10763 is a M1865 Carbine ID'd to Tonkawa Scouts at Fort Griffin. Dixie Gun Works had both a Spencer-made "M.1865" carbine (SN10146) for sale some months ago along with one of the Burnside contract carbines (SN 10710). Gunderson Militaria offered a M1860 Spencer for sale (SN 10451). Likewise, M1860 Spencer Rifle (SN 10273) is distinguishable to the 5th Company Independent Ohio Volunteer Sharpshooters only because of the date it was issued, August 1863, because the serialization of the M1860 carbines production had only just begun. Unfortunately, the Springfield Research Service books do not adequately distinguish between models.

[Curt]

Hallo!

Thanks, Pard, for keeping me on tract and expanding my knowledge base!

I appreciate it!

Curt

[devisser]

I have a Spencer Carbine that was in the first Gov't contract (October, 1863). It started out as a 56-56 but after the war was converted to 50-56. It is a nice shooter, but the forearm has been replaced and maybe the butt stock also. There are serial numbers close to mine that were issued to the 6th Ill Cav, but nothing shows up for my low number.

I bought it many years ago at the Nationals. The man I purchased it from told me his father use it to hunt deer in the pa woods, but stopped using it when WW2 started as he could no longer get the rimfire cartridges. To bad the carbine can not talk because it would have a very interesting history.

I did replace the block to fire the centerfire cartridges.

I gave up research on the weapon because there were no "official" records kept on contract weapons. However most early Spencers ended up in the western theater of the war. (politics)

[devisser]

The S/N on my Spencer is 12481.