law enforcement hold on flintlock

**tackdriver** · 06-26-2017

Heres another one I hope some one can help me with. I got into a bad car accident. I had guns in the car. The sheriffs took the guns I had in the car and placed them what in Cali, Is called a "Law Enforcement Hold". Meaning, now I have to submit paperwork to the DOJ proving that I am approved to get my guns back. I needed to submit Type of firearm PLUS serial number. One o the rifles they took is a Pennsylvania Flintlock, Custom made and of course has no serial number. NOR is any needed.

Even though I included a cover letter stating this. they returned my paperwork saying I need to provide a serial number for tjis rifle. Currently. I am trying to avoid the expense of a lawyer

I know most here live in one of the more sane states and probably don't have this type thing but does anyone have any advice on how to deal with these buffons?

**MR. GADGET** · 06-26-2017

Call your insurance and start a claim do to them being stolen from you at the time of the car wreck.
Number 2, move from the communist state.

**Maillemaker** · 06-26-2017

I think you are going to need a lawyer.

Steve

**RaiderANV** · 06-26-2017

Contact your local BATF office and talk to an actual agent and explain the problem. They should have no problem sending you an email explaining Federal law on the serial number issue. I had to do this a decade or so ago when an original long rifle broke through the box and the local post office saw an EVIL 200 year old gun and called the police. They took the gun at the urging of the post office employee then wanted proof I owed it, proof it was a legal transaction under both Washington And Virginia State laws, advise them of where on the gun he "required" serial number could be found so they could run a check on it and proof I was legally allowed to ship it through the mail even though I was not the shipper.
I call the AFT office out there and they said it's happened before. He asked for the name and phone number of the investigating officer. By the next morning the gun was back at the post office being repacked and on it's way to me without any explaination other then it's on it's way.

**jonniereb** · 06-28-2017

Wow. It's been a long time since I read something that made me this angry. What a giant pile of b*** s***! I'd say move out of that state but, as someone stuck in Maryland, I know that's easier said than done. I have no advice for you other than I'd definitely bite the bullet (pun kind of intended) and lawyer up and fight them every step of the way. If you do talk to a lawyer, I have a friend who's an attorney in San Diego. He does corporate/contract litigation, etc. But, I ran this by him and he recommended Dana M. Grimes at Grimes and Warwick. He said she's good with firearms issues.

Whatever you decide, good luck with it.

And, hey, props to your local sheriff though for getting that dangerous black powder flintlock off the streets. I'm sure countless drive-by's were thwarted and untold lives saved. He should be proud.

**MR. GADGET** · 06-28-2017

BTW

Are you a NRA member?

Sure they would help and give you direction and path to follow.

**Kurt Lacko 7862** · 06-28-2017

Just remember if you decide to "Lawyer UP" your looking for someone versed in firearms and the laws of your state. Any specialist in the field will be able to get you on your way. Here's the rub, add up the value of all your confiscated firearms and find out how much your lawyer is going to charge you. Unless some of those firearms are collectible I'll bet the fee is more than the value of your guns! You may win the battle but be prepared to lose the war! Good luck with however you choose to proceed.

Kurt

**John Holland** · 06-28-2017

I believe this case is about something on a level far above the dollar amount in cost. Standing by and doing nothing only encourages the Lawmakers and Law Enforcement personnel to continue on their agenda of harassing the law abiding citizens of their state. Personally, I would at least contact the Attorney suggested by "Johnnie Reb" and see what she has to say about it. Honor and Dignity are worth far more than money. Just my thoughts.

**Brownie 12th U.S.** · 06-28-2017

Originally Posted by John Holland

I believe this case is about something on a level far above the dollar amount in cost. Standing by and doing nothing only encourages the Lawmakers and Law Enforcement personnel to continue on their agenda of harassing the law abiding citizens of their state. Personally, I would at least contact the Attorney suggested by "Johnnie Reb" and see what she has to say about it. Honor and Dignity are worth far more than money. Just my thoughts.

Thank you Mr. Holland for saying what I would have, but far more eloquently.

**tackdriver** · 07-01-2017

Wow, this what I was afraid of. NO one seems to know what to do. We have a good gun rights law firm here in CA. Michael & Asscs. I contacted them and they seemed interested. They even had me fax them some info. My contact there hinted my fight might cost more than the $2,000 my guns are worth however. Can you believe it?
I tried calling the DOJ. As is typical with a govern agency, you can't get hold of a live person. They think everything can be answered with their stinking recordings. I even wrote them at the email address they gave. Been two weeks with no reply. I even wrote the National Muzzleloaders Assc, got no response their either. I haven't tried the NRA as yet.
That's interesting about filing a claim with my insurance. The thing is, the thought of losing this 1853 Enfield is driving me nuts. I have 10 years of worth of notes I have compiled with it... different loads, distances yadda, yadda.

Lastly, if anyone here has an 1853 Enfield made by Armisport can you tell me if they put a serial number on yours?

Thanks guys